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    Bana gelen bir Mail lütfen bakın!

    >>Kimden: Etel Kayiran [mailto:etelkayiran@yahoo.com]
    >>Gönderilmiþ: Cum 03.06.2005 15:53
    >>Kime: Kayyran K:. Dr. Etel
    >>Konu: ermeni diasporasyna kar?y
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >From: koksal cengiz <koksalc12@yahoo.com>
    >> >To: USA-Turkleri@yahoogroups.com
    >> >Subject: [USA-Turkleri] ermeni meselesinin
    >>internetteki hali
    >> >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:20:32 -0700 (PDT)
    >> >
    >> >Arkadas,
    >> >
    >> >Bu emaili yazmak benim bir saatimi aldi, okumaksa
    >> >senin sadece 5 dakikani alacak, lutfen sonuna kadar
    >> >oku ve gerekeni sen de yap.
    >> >
    >> >Yuzyila yakin bir suredir devam eden ve son gunlerde
    >> >Avrupali dostlarimiz(!) araciligi ile de iyice
    >> >koruklenen sozde Ermeni soykirimi meselesi,
    >> >Turkiyemiz, guzel ulkemizi koseye sikistirmak icin
    >>bir
    >> >arguman olarak gundemden dusmemektedir.
    >> >Malumunuz oldugu uzere dunyanin dort bir yaninda
    >> >Ermeni diasporasi, yani yurtdisinda yasayan
    >>Ermeniler,
    >> >paralarini ve siyasi guclerini olabildigince
    >> >kullanarak sozde soykirim heykelleri diktirmeye,
    >> >soykirim yildonumleri kabul ettirmeye devam
    >> >etmektedirler.
    >> >
    >> >Ben zaten bu konuda son gunlerde emailinize gelen
    >> >onlarca emailde tekrarlanan meseleleri tekrar
    >> >anlatacak degilim, meseleleri zaten az cok hepimiz
    >> >biliyoruz. Benim burada dikkatinizi cekmek istedigim
    >> >ve yardiminizi talep edecegim konu olayin dikkatten
    >> >kacan bir yonu.
    >> >
    >> >Gecen yil da bu konuyla ilgili olarak bazi Turk
    >> >gruplarina email atip konuyu tartismak istemistim, su
    >> >an bu mesele herzamankinden daha fazla onem kazandigi
    >> >icin bir kere daha dikkatlerinizi cekmek ve somut
    >> >yardimlarinizi talep etmek istedim.
    >> >
    >> >Mesele su:
    >> >
    >> >Bu emaili okuyup bitirdikten sonra eger en cok
    >> >kullandiginiz arama motoru her ne ise, ona "armenian
    >> >genocide" yazarsaniz, Ermenilerin internet uzerinde
    >>de
    >> >seslerinin ne kadar yuksek ciktigini goreceksiniz.
    >> >
    >> >Ben sizin icin Google da aradim. (Bu arada bu
    >> >kelimeleri her ay internette yaklasik 9000 kisi
    >> >aramakta)
    >> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=armenian+genocide
    >> >
    >> >Cikan neticeler biraz bana utanc verici geldi ve bu
    >> >konuda birseyler yapmamiz gerektigini dusundugum icin
    >> >sizlere bu emaili yaziyorum.
    >> >Google da ilk sayfada, ve ikinci sayfada bizim
    >> >goruslerimizi anlatan tek bir tane websitesi
    >> >bulamadim.
    >> >
    >> >Her ay 9000 kisinin bu konuda arastirma yaptigini,
    >> >bilgi sahibi olmak istedigini ve karsilarina
    >> >Ermenilerce yapilmis onlarca site ciktigini gorun ve
    >> >dusunun, 3 milyon Ermeninin 70 milyon Turku nasil
    >> >heryerde oldugu gibi Intenette de koseye
    >> >sikistirdigini gorun ve uzulun.
    >> >
    >> >Belki Avrupa, Amerika parlementolarina sesimizi
    >> >duyurmamiz o kadar kolay olmayacaktir, koseleri
    >>tutmus
    >> >Ermeniler siyasi guclerini ve lobilerini kullanarak
    >> >onumuzu keseceklerdir, fakat Internetin kendine gore
    >> >kurallari vardir. Aklimizi ve bilgi birikimlerimizi
    >> >birlestirerek en azindan Internette bu konuda arama
    >> >yapan, bilgilenmek isteyen kisilere alternatif gorus
    >> >sunabiliriz.
    >> >
    >> >Buna en iyi ornek olarak Google da "jew" diye yapilan
    >> >aramalarda ikinci sirada cikan ve Yahudileri rahatsiz
    >> >eden neticeye bakabilirsiniz. Ayni arama neticesinde
    >> >en ustte Google tarafindan eklenmek zorunda kalan
    >>notu
    >> >da okursaniz, internetin nasil tarafsiz bir ortam
    >> >oldugunu gorursunuz.
    >> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jew
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Peki somut olarak sen ne yapabilirsin?
    >> >
    >> >Bu konuda duyarli birkac arkadas bir proje baslatmis
    >> >durumda.
    >> >Ermenilerin yalanlarina bilimsel kanitlarla cavaplar
    >> >vermeyi ve Internette arama yapanlara bir alternatif
    >> >sunmayi amaclayan www.armenian-genocide-lie.com web
    >> >sitesini arama motorlarinda birinci siraya cikarmak
    >> >icin sizlerin yardimlarini talep ediyoruz.
    >> >
    >> >Kisaca ozetlemek gerekirse, arama motorlari, web
    >> >sitelerini, o siteye sayica ve kalitece ne kadar cok
    >> >baska site linklemisse, ona gore aramalarda ust
    >> >siralara cikarmaktadir.
    >> >Yani, Ermenilerin bir numarada cikan
    >> >www.armenian-genocide.org sitesine link ekleyen
    >> >sitelerin sayisindan cok daha fazla linki biz
    >> >www.armenian-genocide-lie.com sitesine
    >>ekleyebilirsek,
    >> >aramalarda birinci sirayi biz ele gecirebiliriz.
    >> >
    >> >Sitemize icerik eklemek te meselenin baska bir yonu,
    >> >fakat su an icin en onemli konu siteye disardan
    >> >olabildigince fazla link ekleyebilmek.
    >> >
    >> >Arkadas,
    >> >
    >> >Senden istegimiz su:
    >> >
    >> >1- Asagidaki HTML kodunu kullanarak, varsa kendine
    >> >ait, veya derneginize veya grubunuza ait butun web
    >> >sitelerinden armenian-genocide-lie.com sitesine link
    >> >eklemek.
    >> >Asagidaki kodu kopyalayip web sayfalariniza
    >> >yapistirmaniz yeterli. Ana sayfaya eklemeniz
    >> >tercihimizdir. Bunun onemi daha buyuk, fakat mumkun
    >> >degilse, ana sayfadan linklenmis ikincil bir sayfaya
    >> >da ekleyebilirsiniz. "Linkler" sayfasi vesaire gibi.
    >> >Sitenin icerigi Ingilizce olacagi icin Ingilizce
    >> >sitelere ozellikle eklemek cok yararli olacaktir,
    >> >fakat Turkce veya herhangi bir dildeki bir
    >>websitesine
    >> >de ekleyebilirsin. Ayrica uyesi oldugunuz tartisma
    >> >gruplarinda yazdiginiz yazilarin sonuna imza kismina
    >> >da linki ekleyerek daha fazla sayfadan siteye link
    >> >gelmesini saglayabilirsiniz.
    >> >
    >> >2- Site(ler)inize asagidaki linki ekledikten sonra,
    >> >info@armenian-genocide-lie.com email adresine bir
    >> >email gondererek hangi websitesinin hangi sayfasina
    >> >linki eklediginizi bildirin. Bu sayede ne kadar yol
    >> >katettigimizi daha iyi gormemiz ve kerekirse
    >> >onerilerde bulunmamis mumkun olacaktir.
    >> >
    >> >HTML kodu:
    >> ><a href=http://www.armenian-genocide-lie.com
    >> >title="Armenian Genocide">Armenian Genocide</a>
    >> >
    >> >3- Bu emaili en az 5 tane arkadasiniza gonderin.
    >> >Boylece bir sinerji olusturabilir, mumkun oldugunca
    >> >duyarli kisiye ulasarak amacimiza daha hizli
    >> >ulasabiliriz.
    >> >
    >> >4- Bu site birkac kisinin gayreti ile devam
    >> >ettirilemez, oyle olursa omru cok kisa olur. Sitenin
    >> >icerigine katkida bulunabilirsin, (Buldugunuz,
    >> >bildiginiz Ingilizce icerikli bilimsel yazilari
    >> >gondererek, yada Turkce yazilari Ingilizceye cevirip
    >> >gondererek), gelen yazilari denetleyip ve sitede
    >> >yayinlayarak, yani editor olarak, veya sitenin
    >> >dizaynina veya arama motorlarinda promosyonuna
    >> >yardimci olarak, belki de bizim aklimiza gelmeyen
    >> >sizin onereceginiz diger konularda bizlere yardimci
    >> >olabilirsin.
    >> >
    >> >Sabirla bu emaili okudugun ve geregeni yapacagin icin
    >> >simdiden tesekkurler.
    >> >
    >> >Birlikten kuvvet dogar!
    >> >
    >> >Saygilar
    >> >
    >> >Sizler gibi bir grup gonullu ve duyarli vatandas.
    >> >
    >> >NOT: konu ile ilgili sorulariniz yada HTML linkini
    >> >eklemek konusunda sorulariniz olursa:
    >> >info@armenian-genocide-lie.com adresine email
    >> >gonderebilirsiniz.
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >>___
    EMPORIO ARMANI


    "God is dead" Nietzsche

    "Nietzsche is dead" God


    Şampiyonlar ligindeki tek temsilcimiz Fenerbahçeye başarılar dileyiniz...

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    AlpeR adlı üyenin avatarı
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    http://www.armenian-genocide-lie.com/ isimli bir siteyi açamadım. Balon mu?

    Beni övme sözlerini bırakınız. Gelecek için neler yapacağız, onları söyleyiniz !
    MUSTAFA KEMAL



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    bende açamadım

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    ANGEL dscvry2001 adlı üyenin avatarı
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    Açılmıyor.
    ...


    That's all folks.. C'ya another time.. Who knows.


    :hz ...Sadece senin için... :hz


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    Arkadaşlar ben açıyorum,firefox varsa onla deneyin,explorer açamıyo olabilir...

    Bu mesaj en son " 01.10.05 " tarihinde saat 15:10 itibariyle Emporio Armani tarafından düzenlenmiştir... Neden: Screenshot eklendi
    EMPORIO ARMANI


    "God is dead" Nietzsche

    "Nietzsche is dead" God


    Şampiyonlar ligindeki tek temsilcimiz Fenerbahçeye başarılar dileyiniz...

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    Azönce bendede açıyordu ama şimdi yine açmamya başladı..
    TAmda okuyordul..Ne diye kapadıysak sayfayı..

    Buarada siteyi açabilen direk ordaki yazışarı c/p yapsa iyi olur..
    Hoş amaç siteye girilmesi hitinin artması ama şuan için o m&#252;mk&#252;n değil..
    KAPALI

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    Şimdi çok komplo gibi görünebilir ama belkide Ermeni hackerlar siteye saldırıyodur...


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    The Telegram Attributed to Talat Pasha
    relocation


    One of the most significant Armenian allegations regarding the immigration implementations is the telegrams, which —also allegedly- contained Talaat Pasha’s orders for killing the Armenians. However, Talaat Pasha himself has expressed in number of occasions that the measures taken with regard to Armenians have no object of massacring them in any way. In fact; in a cryptic telegraph —communiqué wired on August 29, 1915 to the Governors of Hüdaverdigar, Ankara, Konya, Izmit, Adana, Maras, Urfa, Halep, Zor, Sivas, Kütahya, Karesi, Nigde, Mamuretülaziz, Diyarbekir, Karahisar-i Sahib, Erzurum and Kayseri Provinces and sub-Provinces; the purpose of the immigration was explained as the follows (1).

    “The purpose of the Government regarding the moving of Armenians from their original settlements is to prevent their anti-governmental actions; and to discourage their ambitions of establishing an Armenian State. Their massacre is completely out of question; on the contrary the safety of the groups during immigration should be ensured; and while measures for their catering should be taken, the “Immigrants Allocation” should be used to meet the cost. Armenians who are allowed to stay in their original settlements should not be re-located afterwards. As it was stated before the immigration of the dependents of military forces; protestant and catholic Armenians; and artisans (in accordance with the need) are definitely prohibited by the Government severe legal measures. Against the gendarmes and government officials who attack the immigrating groups or those who lead such attacks severe legal measures should be taken and such individuals should immediately Court-Martialled. Relevant provincial and sub-provincial authorities shall be held responsible for such events.

    In another cryptic note sent to Ankara on May 27 1915 it was said that; “The measures taken by the Government regarding the Armenians are based on the necessity to ensure and protect the welfare and order of the Country. Exclusion of the Catholic and Protestant Armenians —who are at present observed as impartial at the present- from immigration, is the indication that the Government has no intention to massacre them” (2).

    However, the communiqué which was issued by the Government for deporting the terrorist Armenians and their Gang leaders has been understood incorrectly in some places. Hence, several Armenian Bands, which were caught, were sent to places in which they continued their actions more freely. Upon such occurrence’s Talaat Pasha issued another communiqué on June 1, 1915, stressing that such Armenians should be transported to the places where they would not be able to continue their harmful actions, and also there deportations should be limited to the terrorists and rebels only (3).

    Furthermore, in still another cryptic note dated June 13, 1915 dispatched to Mamuretüllaziz province, it was stated that the Armenians, besides those who were handed to the Court Marshall should be kept at suitable locations within the province under a previous order, hence not necessarily sent to Mousul province (4).

    In a cryptic note dated June 14, 1915 which was sent to Erzurum, Diyarbekir, Mamuretülaziz and Bitlis provinces, after stressing that the Armenians should be protected during the immigration process; it was mentioned that it was natural to take measures against those who would try to flee or rebel against the gendarmes; however in no case Moslem peoples should be involved in such corrective acts; and also no opportunities should be set to start conflicts between the Moslems and Armenians.

    Coming to the telegraph which is the core of the alleged claims of Armenian massacre (5).

    An Armenian named Aram Andonian referred to it in his book, titled : “Memoirs of Naim Bey / Official Turkish Documents Regarding the Deportation and Massacre of the Armenians” published in London in 1920. This book was published under the titles: “Official Documents Regarding the Massacre of the Armenians”; and “The Gross Offence, the Last Armenian Massacre and Talat Pasha; the Originals of the Signed Official Telegraphs” in Paris and Boston respectively.

    The telegraphs in the book, which were attributed to Talat Pasha, are false documents, which were originated to create a “massacre criminal”. As a result of the examination and research which was carried out by Messrs. Sinasi Orel and Süreyya Yuca on the subject documents a number of positive evidences, which prove the falsity of them were found. Among these evidences are: “that the person named Naim Bey — from whom the documents have been said that obtained- had never been employed in the “Celleppo Re-Settlement Department, that neither the said documents were authentic, nor the type of the papers were the same of those used in the official communication of that time; that the original counterparts were not among the Ministry of Interior documents in the Prime Ministry’s Archives; that the deed numbers on the documents could not fond in the registration logs of the relevant department; that there were some mistakes on the dates according to Mohammedan and Gregorian Calendars; that there were inconsistencies between the signatures; and there were some big grammatical and spelling mistakes in them.”

    Furthermore, although it was mentioned that; “the original copies of the documents which were used in the book were kept at the Armenian Office in Manchester” since then they have persistently been concealed from the examination of the World opinion, and since their “authenticity was based on the report of the Aleppo Armenian Unit during the Ottoman times; is an important indication of the falsehood of the alleged claims of Armenian massacre.

    REFERENCES:
    Hallacoglu, Prof. Dr. Yusuf, Ermeni Tehcirine Dair Gerekceler (1915), TTK Yayini, Ankara, 2001.

    Published by:
    Turkish Hutorical Association, Ankara, 2001.

    FOOTNOTES:
    1) DH. EUM 2. Branch, 68/80
    2) DH. EUM 2. Branch, 68/71; 2. Branch 68/84 (see doc: 192, 200)
    3) DH. EUM 2. Branch, 68x101 (see doc 217).
    4) An Armenian group which consisted of 26.064 people and lived in Aleppo were not actually included in the immigration process. Because; the population re-settled in the new settlement location were brought from Anatolia. On the other hand while the number of those who arrived at Aleppo were given as around a hundred thousand, (see: DH EUM. 2nd Branch, 68/80) the population arrived here was taken as 100.000.
    5) OREL, Sinasi, YUCA Sureyya, Ermenilerce Talat Pasa’ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin Gercek Yüzü, Turkish Historical Association Publication, Ankara 1983.

    Reasons Behind Relocation
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    The decision regarding migration was taken under compulsion, in order to prevent the harmful acts of Armenians, who stabbed the Ottoman State that was their own state, in order to establish an independent Armenia. Documents confirm how the Russians and the Entente States deceived and provoked Armenians. (1)

    The Armenians who were deceived by such promises as to be given the lands they obtained during the War and that their independence to be recognized; established a number of revolutionary societies (2). Armenians, who started their terrorist activities before the immigration process, continued these activities even during the immigration. They collaborated with the enemy both in the border areas and in the inner regions, and applied genocidal activities to the Moslem people (3).

    Ottoman Government decided to compile the documents expressing the cruelties of the Armenians in a book and requested the documents and photographs of Armenian massacres (4). Those documents and photographs collected in a book and published under the title of Ermeni Komitelerinin Faaliyetleri ve Ihtilal Hareketleri/ Mesrutiyetin Ilanindan Once ve Sonra (5).

    Armenian cruelties continued after the First Wold War as well. In fact, one of the most striking examples of such activities is the one committed in Nahcivan by an Armenian band of 1.200 people under the command of an Armenian named Hanov . Furthermore, it is understood from the telegraphs dispatched on 3 and 7 March 1920 respectively by Mümtaz Bey who was then the acting Governor of “Mamuretül Aziz” Province, that the Armenians protected by the French Forces in the region were then under the delmion of establishing an independent Armenia from Clicia to Adana provinces (7).

    Upon such developments, Enver Pasha, acting Head Commander, in order to find a solution to this problem, sent the following note to Talat Pasha on May 2, 1915.

    “Armenians domiciled around Lake Van, and in Van Provincial Governorate are always ready for an uprising. I think that the Armenians should be moved from these places, and centers of revolt be dissipated. According to the information given by the 3rd Army Command, the Russians caused the Moslems within their own boundaries to immigrate over our boundaries in miserable conditions. Both as a retaliation to this act, and to ensure the aim I mentioned above, either the said Armenians should be transported into the Russian land together with their families; or they should be distributed in the various regions in Anatolia also with their families. I kindly request from you the selection of the most suitable alternative and act accordingly. However, I personally prefer that the revolting people and their families be sent beyond our borders; and Moslem people their families be re-settled in their place” (8).

    With this letter, which may be accepted as the first sign of the intention of immigration process, Enver Pasha requested of dispersion of Armenians in order to avoid their uprising act. According to the said letter, it is clear that the implementations would be made only in locations where the Armenians revolted; and it was carried out accordingly.

    Talat Pasha, not wishing to waste time due to the urgency and importance of the matter, initiated the re-settlement implementation without waiting for the resolution of the Parliament hence did not hesitate to undertake such a heavy responsibility by himself (9). Talat Pasha, who took first considered to start immigration of the Armenians domiciled in Van, Bitlis and Erzurum regions out of the War area. He informed Tahsin Bey, Cevdet Bey and Mustafa Abdulhalik Bey, Governors of Erzurum, Van, and Bitlis Provinces respectively on the matter by cryptic communiqués dd. May 9, 1995. Talat Pasha in his above — mentioned cryptic message communicated that the Armenians concentrated in certain regions to start revolts and uprising were decreed to immigrate towards the south, and that every possible assistance should be given to the Governors in order for this decree to be implemented. Talaat Pasha noted that a communiqué concerning the issue was sent to the Supreme Military Command to the Commanders of the 3rd and 4th Armies. He informed that it would be advantageous if the implementation was undertaken in areas to cover the southern part of Erzurum along with Van, the critical sub-provinces in Bitlis, and especially the vicinities of Mus, Sasun, and Talori; and requested from the Governors to immediately initiate the implementation in cooperation with the army commanders.

    Furthermore, Talat Pasha issuing a cryptic communiqué to the 4th Army Command dated 23 May 1915, listed the location requested to be evacuated as follows:

    1. The provinces of Erzurum, Van ad Bitlis;

    2. The subdivision of Maras excluding the city of Maras;

    3. Villages and towns within the boundaries of the sub provinces of; Iskenderun, Beylan (Belen), Cisr-i Sugur and Antioch excluding the central sub province of the Province of Aleppo;

    4. The sub-divisions of Adana, Mersin, Kozan and Cebel-i Bereket excluding the cities of Adana, Sis (Kozan) and Mersin;

    Accordingly; Armenians evacuated from Erzurum, Van and Bitlis were decreed to be transferred to the southern part of Mousul along with the sub-division of Zor and sub-division of Urfa excluding the central city: and the Armenians evacuated from the vicinities of Adana, Aleppo and Maras to be transferred to the eastern part of the Province of Syria along with the eastern and southeastern part of the Province of Aleppo. To supervise and manage the immigration process, State Inspectors, Ali Seydi Bey and Hamid Bey were appointed to the Adana region, and to the regions of Aleppo and Maras, respectively.

    It was stipulated that the Armenians arriving at the new locations of resettlement were to be settled either in the houses that they would build in the existing villages or towns; or in the villages that they would re-establish in the locations identified by the government; and that the Armenian villages were to be at least of 25 km away from the Baghdad Railway.

    The protection of lives and properties of Armenians following the process of immigration, and provision of their needs such as food, drink and rest were left to the regional authorities along the transfer route. It was decreed that the immigrating Armenians to be allowed to carry along all of their belongings and arrangements about their established properties were to be prepared and submitted to the authorities concerned (11).

    In order for the immigrating Armenians not to re-constitute dens of conspiracy, the Supreme Military Command communicated a letter dated 26 May 1915 to the Ministry of Interior, considering the following aspects:

    1. The population of the Armenians in the locations they newly immigrated to should not be in excess of 10% of the population of the existing tribes and Moslems.

    2. The villages the Armenians to be re-established should not be bigger than fifty houses each.

    3. The Armenian immigrant families should not change houses either for the purposes of travel or transfer (12).

    A short while after the Ministry of Interior’s measures were came in force, Russian, French and English governments issued a joint declaration stating that in the Eastern and Southeastern Anatolia, which they referred as “Armenia”, Armenians had been killed with in a month. In addition, they declared that the Ottoman Government is responsible for these events (13).

    Upon the spread of the issue in international arena in this manner, Talaat Pasha, sent a communiqué dated 26 May 1915 to the Prime Ministry in order to provide a legal basis for the implementation of the immigration (14). In this communiqué, having stated that the invaders promoted discrimination among the Armenians, who were Ottoman citizens, and assisted them, in order to realize their invasory desires; that the uprising Armenians took variety of means to hinder the progress of the operation of the Turkish Army fighting against the enemy; that they abstracted the transport of food items, weapons and ammunition to the soldiers, that they collaborated with the enemy; that a group of them joined the enemy rank, and organized armed attacks against the military units and innocent civilians; that they massacred and pillaged in cities and towns; and that they provided food to the enemy navy and disclosed critical military zones to the enemy, Talaat Pasha noted that a radical measure needed to be taken for the security of the state and on this account, the Armenians rioting in war zones needed to be immigrated to other regions.

    This communiqué of the Ministry of Interior was submitted immediately to the Parliament along with another communiqué written by the Prime Ministry. Talat Pasha’s statement having been reiterated in the Prime Ministry’s communiqué, it was expressed that the initiation of the immigration implementation was rightly made for the security of the state and that it was necessary to implement this policy methodically and systematically. (15) And the Parliament decreed to ratify the implementation on the some date.

    In the Parliamentary decree, it was noted that it absolutely necessary to block through effective methods such harmful activities for having a negative impact on the existence and the security of the state, and that the measures by the Ministry of Interior on this account were rightfully and duly taken. Furthermore, a communiqué was issued regarding the determination of the immovable properties owned by the immigrating Armenians by a commission to be appointed, and the creation of job opportunities suitable for the conditions of the Armenians in their new locations, and the assistance to be given on the account of Immigrant’s Compensation. It was requested that an order to be written to those concerned in order to ensure the implementation of immigration securely (16).

    The following communiqué dated 30 Mays 1915 sent by the Prime Ministry to the Ministry of Interior, Ministry of War and the Ministry of Finance, the regulations of implementation of the immigration were stated: (17)

    a) The Armenians shall be transported to the regions allocated in a comfortable manner, ensuring the security of their lives and property.

    b) Their food and drink expenses shall be covered by the Immigrant’s Compensation until they settle in their new houses.

    c) Real estate and land shall be provided for them in accordance with their former financial status.

    d) The government shall build houses for those in need, and provide seeds, and agricultural equipment for the farmers and agricultural experts.

    e) The movables they left behind shall be delivered, and after the determination of their immovable properties settled, these shall be distributed among the Moslem immigrants to be setting in their place. Income generating from places that are not within the expertise of these immigrants such as olive, mulberry and orange groves, vineyards, shops, inns, factories and warehouse shall be either auctioned or rented and their compensations shall be recorded in deposit by savings fund to be paid to their owners.

    f) Special commissions shall implement all these issues and an order shall be issued in this regard.

    REFERENCE:
    Halacoglu, Prof. Dr. Yusuf, Ermeni Tehcirine Dair Gercekler — Realities on the Armenian Immigration- (1915), TTK, Yayini, Ankara, 2001

    FOOTNOTES
    1) Cryptic Item, no: 45/115 (sent a communiqué about this matter to the provinces of Van, Bitlis, Mamüretüaziz, Adana, Diyarbekir and Sivas, via the telegram dated 23 September 1916)
    2) DH. EUM. Division 2, File 1, document 45/2 (see document 670).
    3) Cryptic Item. , NoB 6; no; 62/24; no: 63/175; no; 64/92; no: 64/163; no; 64/194; no: 66/51; no: 46/56; no: 66/192; BA, BED, no: 343464 (see document 784).
    4) Cryptic Item, no: 62/57; 62/58; 63/241.
    5) Istanbul 1916. The same work was translated in French, in 1917, in Istanbul and published as an abridged version under the title Les Allogations et les Mouvements Révolutionnairs des Comités Arméniens— (Ankara, 1981)
    6) Letter dated 1 February 1920 from the Ministry of Interior to the Prime Ministry (BA: BEO, no; 341351).
    7) Security, File 2 F/3; Security, File 2 F75 see document 799 and 800.
    8) ATBD, December 1982, no: 81, document 1830
    9) Bayur, ibid, III/3, 38.
    10) G.K., no: 15/200; no: 52/281-282
    11) G.K, no: 53/94
    12) General Staff, no: 1/1, Folder 44 File 207, F 2-3, quoted by, K. Gürün, ibid, p.213.
    13) Bayur, ibid, III/3, p. 37
    14) BA, BED, no: 326758
    15) Parliamentary Decree, Book no: 198, Decree no: 163 (see document 123); Bayur ibid. III/3, pp. 40-42.
    16) Bayur, ibid, III/3, pp. 40-42
    17) BA, BED, no: 326758

    The Definition and Purpose of Relocation (Techir)
    relocation

    The Arabic originated word “tehcir” means “emigration / immigration”, it definitely not means “deportation” or “exile”. Hence the law commonly known as the “Tehcir Law” is the same as “Temporary Law On The Military Measures To Be Taken For Those Who Resist The Governmental Acts And Supplementation’s.” The word used to explain the implementation in line with this law is “tenkil” in the Ottoman language and means “transport- not the equivalent of “deportation”, “exile” or “proscription” in Latin originated languages.

    The immigration, which was started with the orders of Talaat Pasha, and approved by the Government and the Parliament as a measure against the Armenian riots and massacres, which had arisen in a number of places in the Country - pre - dominantly in Van province, was only implemented only in the regions in which such riots and massacres affected the security of the fronts directly. The first area was Erzurum, Van and Bitlis Vicinities which formed the rear part of the Caucasian - Iran Front; and the second was Mersin - Iskenderun Region which formed the rear part of the Sina Front. In both of these regions, Armenians had collaborated with the enemy and involved in activities to facilitate the enemy’s invasion.

    Later, the scope of the immigration was widened in order to include the Armenians in the other provinces, who rioted, collaborated with the enemy and screened the activities of Armenian Gangs. Although the Catholic and Protestant Armenians were excluded from immigration at the beginning, later those whose harmful activities were observed, were also relocated.

    Since 1915, numerous papers, reports, books, etc. were written and published about the immigration implementation. The Armenians, by using false documents have succeeded to deceit the World for a long time. The rumor about Armenian holocaust (!) which expressed at first as three hundred thousand and later increased to three million has no basis at all. In fact, although English and French authorities have extensively studied the Ottoman archives during their occupation in Istanbul have failed to find even a single document hinting about such holocaust.

    Had the Ottoman State intended to make genocide on Armenians; could not they realize such an act at the places where the Armenians live? Why would it be necessary “to immigrate” them for such an intention? Why did they undertake the significant fiscal and material costs of their security, safety, health and food of the immigrating Armenians? During this immigration and re-settlement process which lasted approximately 1,5 year from May 1915 until October 1916, why would the central and local administrations take measures to ensure the lives and properties of Armenians in spite of the difficult war circumstances? In addition, would it be necessary to accept great administrative, military and financial burden —as if opening a new front- to protect and secure these people?

    The answers to these questions shall be sufficient to understand the real intention of the Ottoman State. Also there is no logical explanation that why the Ottoman State suddenly changed its policy towards a community which had always been called as “millet-i sadika” (loyal people) due to their being really faithful to the Government. Hence the party whose attitude had changed was not the Ottoman Government, but the Armenians who were deceived by the independence promises of Russia and the Entente States.

    In conclusion, it can be said that the Armenian Immigration which was a necessary measure to ensure the State Security and Safety is among one of the most
    successful transportation and re-settlement processes; and has no intention whatsoever to annihilate Armenians.

    REFERENCE:
    Halacoglu, Prof. Dr. Yusuf, Ermeni Tehcirine Dair Gerekceler (1915), TTK Yayini, Ankara, 2001.

    Armenia Rejects Turkey’s Dialogue Call
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    March 11, 2005

    Armenian FM Oskanyan: “There is no need to discuss with the Turkish historians”

    Jan SOYKOK - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Opposition Party CHP’s Ledar Deniz Baykal called Armenia and Armenians to open their archives and to make negotiations on Armenian issue. Turkish PM said on Tuesday " We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides… Teams of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archives… We do not want future generations to have a difficult life because of hatred and resentment.” However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Oskanyan claimed the historians had made their all studies and they do not need make any more study. However the Turkish historians and many American and British researchers do not agree with the pro-Armenian historians. Many historians from the US and Europe including Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy and Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw says the 1915 events cannot be considered as ‘genocide’.

    Vartan Oskanyan said they have made clear their stance on the issue. Saying that they had already stated the findings of their historians, Oskanyan added:

    "Turkey should put forward their case. There is nothing left for historians to do."

    Turkish PM Erdogan called on Tuesday for an impartial study by historians of Armenian claims that their people suffered genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turkish troops during and after World War One. Erdogan said that Turkey was ready to face this issue and Turkish Government is sincere. The Armenian response has disappointed Ankara. The AK party Government has made efforts to normalize the relations with Armenia. The AK party politicians say if Armenia take small steps, Turkey will response with great steps.

    Armenians claim that at least 1.5 million of their kinfolk were murdered during the last years of the Ottoman Empire. However the number of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was less than 1.3 million. Turkey has never accepted the Armenian allegations and argued that Armenian armed groups during the First World War killed about 500,000 Turkish and Kurdish people. Turkish officials and historians accept that thousands of Armenians were also killed during the war and uprisings due to the ethnic conflicts between Kurdish and Armenian groups, epidemic diseases and bad weather and war circumstances. More than 200.000 Armenians died due to the bad weather, epidemic diseases and famine under the Tashnak Armenian rule in Armenia in 1919.

    More than 100,000 Armenian live in Turkey and more than 50,000 citizens of Armenia work in Istanbul and other Turkish cities.

    Turkey has no diplomatic relations with Armenia and its territorial borders have been closed since 1993 in protest against the former Soviet republic's occupation of part of the territory of Azerbaijan. More than 20 percent of Azerbaijan has been under Armenian occupation. About 1 million Azerbaijani became refugees after the Armenian attacks.

    Armenia does not recognize Turkey’s national borders. the Armenia’s declaration of Independence and Constitution imply that eastern provinces of Turkey are Armenian. Armenia has no good relations with other neighbors except Iran. Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan are close allies of United States and the EU while the Armenia has relied on Russia.

    Some EU politicians have even suggested that Turkey should not be allowed to start entry talks to join the bloc on Oct. 3 unless it accepts the Armenian allegations. Turkish political scientist Dr. Sedat Laciner told the JTW that anti-Turkish and anti-Islamic groups have abused Armenian issue in order to prevent Turkey’s EU entry. According to Laciner the role of the Armenian diaspora in Europe cannot be ignored, however the real reason is not the Armenian lobbying groups but the racist and discriminative European parties:

    “The EU clearly declared that Turkey is a true European state and there is no serious and structural reason to prevent to Turkey’s membership. At the Summit of 17 December 2004, the EU confirmed that Turkey has fulfilled all criteria the EU asked. Turkish economy, human rights record, even its relations with Greece and Greek Cypriots were not considered as an obstacle for Turkey’s membership. Greece was one of the most enthusiastic supporter for Turkey’s EU membership. Under these circumstances, Turkey-skeptics lost all tools against Turkey. CDU in Germany and rightist parties in France strongly oppose Turkey’s EU bid. Many racist and anti-Muslim groups in Austria, Germany, France and other countries argue that Turkey is a Muslim country and there is no place in Europe to the Muslims. According to the anti-Turkish groups Turkey’s acceptance to the EU will spoil the European civilization. There are many Muslim states in Europe; however none of them is EU member. I think the anti-Turkish groups curtail their sincere thoughts by using the Armenian issue.”

    JTW, 11 March 2005
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