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    What American Acedemics Think

    ATTENTION
    MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    (May 19, 1985)
    The undersigned American academicians who specialize in Turkish, Ottoman and
    Middle Eastern Studies are concerned that the current language embodied in House Joint
    Resolution 192 is misleading and/or inaccurate in several respects.
    Specifically, while fully supporting the concept of a "National Day of Remembrance of
    Man's Inhumanity to Man," we respectfully take exception to that portion of the text which
    singles out for special recognition:
    ". . . the one and one half million people of Armenian ancestry who were victims of
    genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923 . . .."
    Our reservations focus on the use of the words "Turkey" and "genocide" and may be
    summarized as follows:
    From the fourteenth century until 1922, the area currently known as Turkey, or more
    correctly, the Republic of Turkey, was part of the territory encompassing the multi-national,
    multi-religious state known as the Ottoman Empire. It is wrong to equate the Ottoman Empire
    with the Republic of Turkey in the same way that it is wrong to equate the Hapsburg Empire
    with the Republic of Austria. The Ottoman Empire, which was brought to an end in 1922, by
    the successful conclusion of the Turkish Revolution which established the present day
    Republic of Turkey in 1923, incorporated lands and people which today account for more than
    twenty-five distinct countries in Southeastern Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East, only
    one of which is the Republic of Turkey. The Republic of Turkey bears no responsibility for any
    events which occurred in Ottoman times, yet by naming Turkey' in the Resolution, its authors
    have implicitly labeled it as guilty of "genocide" it charges transpired between 1915 and 1923;
    As for the charge of "genocide" no signatory of this statement wishes to minimize the
    scope of Armenian suffering. We are likewise cognizant that it cannot be viewed as separate
    from the suffering experienced by the Muslim inhabitants of the region. The weight of evidence
    so far uncovered points in the direct of serious inter communal warfare (perpetrated by Muslim
    and Christian irregular forces), complicated by disease, famine, suffering and massacres in
    Anatolia and adjoining areas during the First World War. Indeed, throughout the years in
    question, the region was the scene of more or less continuous warfare, not unlike the tragedy
    which has gone on in Eebanon for the past decade. The resulting death toll among both Muslim
    and Christian communities of the region was immense. But much more remains to be
    discovered before historians will be able to sort out precisely responsibility between warring
    and innocent, and to identify the causes for the events which resulted in the death or removal
    of large numbers of the eastern Anatolian population, Christian and Muslim alike.
    Statesmen and politicians make history, and scholars write it. For this process to work
    scholars must be given access to the written records of the statesmen and politicians of the past.
    To date, the relevant archives in the Soviet Union, Syria, Bulgaria and Turkey all remain, for
    the most part, closed to dispassionate historians. Until they become available, the history of the
    Ottoman Empire in the period encompassed by H.J. Res. 192 (1915-1923) cannot be
    adequately known.
    We believe that the proper position for the United States Congress to take on this and
    related issues is to encourage full and open access to all historical archives and not to make
    charges on historical events before they are fully understood. Such charges as those contained
    H.J. Res. 192 would inevitably reflect unjustly upon the people of Turkey and perhaps set back
    progress irreparably. Historians are just now beginning to achieve in understanding these tragic
    events.
    As the above comments illustrate, the history of the Ottoman-Armenians is much
    debated among scholars, many of whom do not agree with the historical assumptions embodied
    in the wording of H.J. Res. 192. By passing the resolution Congress will be attempting to
    determine by legislation which side of the historical question is correct. Such a resolution,
    based on historically questionable assumptions, can only damage the cause of honest historical
    inquiry, and damage the credibility of the American legislative process.

    SIGNATORIES TO THE STATEMENT ON H.J. RES. 192
    ADDRESSED TO THE MEMBERS OF
    THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    RIFAAT ABOU-EL-HAJ
    Professor of History
    California State University at Long Beach
    SARAH MOMENT ATIS
    Professor of Turkish Language & Literature
    University of Wisconsin at Madison
    KARL BARBIR
    Associate Professor of History
    Siena College (New York)
    ILHAN BASGOZ
    Director of the Turkish Studies Program
    at the Department of Uralic & Altaic Studies
    Indiana University
    DANIEL G. BATES
    Professor of Anthropology
    Hunter College,
    City University of New York
    ULKU BATES
    Professor of Art History
    Hunter College
    City University of New York
    GUSTAV BAYERLE
    Professor of Uralic & Altaic Studies
    Indiana University
    ANDREAS G. E. BODROGLIGETTI
    Professor of Turkic & Iranian languages
    University of California at Los Angeles
    KATHLEEN BURRILL
    Associate Professor of Turkish Studies
    Columbia University
    RODERIC DAVISON
    Professor of History
    George Washington University
    WALTER DENNY
    Associate Professor of Art History &
    Near Eastern Studies
    University of Massachusetts
    DR. ALAN DUBEN
    Anthropologist, Researcher
    New York City
    ELLEN ERVIN
    Research Assistant Professor of Turkish
    New York University
    CAESAR FARAH
    Professor of Islamic
    & Middle Eastern History
    University of Minnesota
    CARTER FINDLEY
    Associate Professor of History
    The Ohio State University
    MICHAEL FINEFROCK,
    Professor of History
    College of Charleston
    ALAN FISHER
    Professor of History
    Michigan State University
    CORNELL FLEISCHER
    Assistant Professor of History
    Washington University (Missouri)
    TIMOTHY CHILDS
    Professorial Lecturer at SAIS,
    Johns Hopkins University
    SHAFIGA DAULET
    Associate Professor of Political Science
    University of Connecticut
    JUSTIN MCCARTHY
    Associate Professor of History
    University of Louisville
    JON MANDAVILLE
    Professor of the History
    of the Middle East
    Portland State University (Oregon)
    RHOADS MURPHEY
    Assistant Professor of Middle Eastern
    Languages & Cultures & History
    Columbia University
    PIERRE OBERLING
    Professor of History
    Hunter College of the City University of
    New York
    ROBERT OLSON
    Associate Professor of History
    University of Kentucky
    DONALD QUATAERT
    Associate Professor of History
    University of Houston
    WILLIAM GRISWOLD
    Professor of History
    Colorado State University
    WILLIAM HICKMAN
    Associate Professor of Turkish
    University of California, Berkeley
    JOHN HYMES
    Professor of History
    Glenville State College
    West Virginia
    RALPH JAECKEL
    Visiting Assistant Professor of Turkish
    University of California at Los Angeles
    JAMES KELLY
    Associate Professor of Turkish
    University of Utah
    PETER GOLDEN
    Professor of History
    Rutgers University, Newark
    TOM GOODRICH
    Professor of History
    Indiana University of Pennsylvania
    ANDREW COULD
    Ph.D. in Ottoman History
    Flagstaff, Arizona
    MICHAEL MEEKER
    Professor of Anthropology
    University of California at San Diego
    THOMAS NAFF
    Professor of History & Director, Middle East
    Research Institute
    University of Pennsylvania
    WILLIAM OCHSENWALD
    Associate Professor of History
    Virginia Polytechnic Institute
    WILLIAM PEACHY
    Assistant Professor of the Judaic & Near
    Eastern Languages & Literatures
    The Ohio State University
    HOWARD REED
    Professor of History
    University of Connecticut
    TIBOR HALASI-KUN
    Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies
    Columbia University
    J. C. HUREWITZ
    Professor of Government Emeritus
    Former Director of the Middle East
    Institute (1971-1984) Columbia University
    HALIL INALCIK
    University Professor
    of Ottoman History & Member of the
    American Academy of Arts& Sciences
    University of Chicago
    RONALD JENNINGS
    Associate Professor
    of History & Asian Studies
    University of Illinois
    KERIM KEY
    Adjunct Professor
    Southeastern University
    Washington, D.C.
    DANKWART RUSTOW
    Distinguished University Professor of
    Political Science
    City University Graduate School New York
    STANFORD SHAW
    Professor of History
    University of California at Los Angele
    METIN KUNT
    Professor of Ottoman History
    New York City
    AVIGDOR LEVY
    Professor of History
    Brandeis University
    DR. HEATH W. LOWRY
    Institute of Turkish Studies Inc.
    Washington, D.C.
    JOHN MASSON SMITH, JR.
    Professor of History
    University of California at Berkeley
    ROBERT STAAB
    Assistant Director of the
    Middle East Center
    University of Utah
    JAMES STEWART-ROBINSON
    Professor of Turkish Studies
    University of Michigan
    FRANK TACHAU
    Professor of Political Science
    University of Illinois at Chicago
    DAVID THOMAS
    Associate Professor of History
    Rhode Island College
    WARREN S. WALKER
    Home Professor of English & Director of the
    Archive of Turkish Oral Narrative
    Texas Tech University
    WALTER WEIKER
    Professor of Political Science
    Rutgers University
    MADELINE ZILFI
    Associate Professor of History
    University of Maryland
    ELAINE SMITH
    Ph.D. in Turkish History
    Retired Foreign Service Officer
    Washington, D-CEZEL
    KURAL SHAW
    Associate Professor of History
    California State University, Northridge
    FREDERICK LATIMER
    Associate Professor of History (Retired)
    University of Utah
    BERNARD LEWIS
    Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near
    Eastern History
    Princeton University


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    Misafir SlamDunk adlı üyenin avatarı
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    in fact, i couldn't understand all of the article
    but i think that, they almost think that, we murdered armenians...

    does america think that the red-indians...?
    does america know the real genocide made by?
    by them
    i said it in the last artcle that, they wanna put turkey in doc, and do turkey down....

    america is a double-headed monster....
    on this way, everything is inconvenienceless for them...
    they look like the peace ambassador....
    but they make the real genocide, in Iraq..
    does not the world know this?
    every1 knows this...
    but the world, afraid of america..


    but we dont give our lawsuit up
    we didn't murder armenians..

    but i know, we will murder americans, on this way

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    Alıntı SlamDunk tarafından gönderildi.
    in fact, i couldn't understand all of the article
    but i think that, they almost think that, we murdered armenians...

    does america think that the red-indians...?
    does america know the real genocide made by?
    by them
    i said it in the last artcle that, they wanna put turkey in doc, and do turkey down....

    america is a double-headed monster....
    on this way, everything is inconvenienceless for them...
    they look like the peace ambassador....
    but they make the real genocide, in Iraq..
    does not the world know this?
    every1 knows this...
    but the world, afraid of america..


    but we dont give our lawsuit up
    we didn't murder armenians..

    but i know, we will murder americans, on this way
    actually if you read it properly you will see that they are supporting Turkey in its bid to not recognise the genocide !!!!

    They are saying Armenians were killed, but so were Turks !! which is true.

    its a great piece of lobbying for Turkey !!
    SIZE,
    ATAMIN RAKISI KAPAK OLSUN
    ATAMIN HALIFEYI YOK ETMESI KAPAK OLSUN
    TURK "LIRASI" KAPAK OLSUN
    TURK EZANI KAPAK OLSUN
    LATIN HARFLERI KAPAK OLSUN
    LAIK ANAYASA KAPAK OLSUN
    CUMA IS GUNU OLMASI KAPAK OLSUN
    ASILAN SEYHLER KAPAK OLSUN
    KILLIK KIYAFET KANUNLARI KAPAK OLSUN

 

 

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